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<xeblog-conv name="Cadey" mood="coffee">The `dep` team was as close as we've
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<xeblog-conv name="Cadey" mood="coffee">The `dep` team was as close as we've
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gotten for having people in the _actual industry_ using Go _in production_
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gotten for having people in the _actual industry_ using Go _in production_
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outside of Google having a real voice in how Go is used in the real world. I
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outside of Google having a real voice in how Go is used in the real world. I
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fear that we will never have this kind of thing happen again.</xeblog-conv>
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fear that we will never have this kind of thing happen again.<br /><br />It's
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also worth noting that the fallout of this lead to the core `dep` team leaving
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the Go community.</xeblog-conv>
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="hmm">Well, Google has to be using Go modules in
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their monorepo, right? If that's the official build system for Go it makes sense
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that they'd be dogfooding it hard enough that they'd need to use the tool in the
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same way that everyone else did.</xeblog-conv>
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<xeblog-conv name="Numa" mood="delet">lol nope. They use an overcomplicated
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bazel/blaze abomination that has developed in parallel to their NIH'd source
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control server. Google doesn't have to deal with the downsides of Go modules
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unless it's in a project like Kubernetes. It's easy to imagine that they just
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don't have the same problems that everyone else does due to how weird Google
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prod is. Google only has problems that Google has, and statistically your
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company is NOT Google.</xeblog-conv>
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Go modules does solve one very critical problem for the Go ecosystem though: it
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Go modules does solve one very critical problem for the Go ecosystem though: it
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allows you to have the equivalent of the GOPATH but with multiple versions of
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allows you to have the equivalent of the GOPATH but with multiple versions of
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and most of the friction was with the fact that most of the existing ecosystem
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and most of the friction was with the fact that most of the existing ecosystem
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had already been using `dep` or `glide`.
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had already been using `dep` or `glide`.
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="Hacker">There was a bit of interoperability glue
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="hacker">There was a bit of interoperability glue
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that allowed `vgo` to parse the dependency definitions in `dep`, `godep` and
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that allowed `vgo` to parse the dependency definitions in `dep`, `godep` and
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`glide`. This still exists today and helps `go mod init` tell what dependencies
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`glide`. This still exists today and helps `go mod init` tell what dependencies
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to import into the Go module to aid migration.</xeblog-conv>
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to import into the Go module to aid migration.</xeblog-conv>
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rough edges of unexpectedly encountering this in the wild. It kinda feels like
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rough edges of unexpectedly encountering this in the wild. It kinda feels like
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you stepped on a landmine.</xeblog-conv>
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you stepped on a landmine.</xeblog-conv>
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<xeblog-conv name="Numa" mood="delet">It's also worth noting that the protobuf
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team didn't use major version 2 when making an API breaking change. They
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defended this by saying that they are changing the import path away from GitHub,
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but it feels like they wanted to avoid the v2 problem.</xeblog-conv>
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The core of this is that when you create major version 2 of a Go project, you
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The core of this is that when you create major version 2 of a Go project, you
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need to adjust all your import paths everywhere in that project to import the
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need to adjust all your import paths everywhere in that project to import the
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`v2` of that package or you will silently import the `v1` version of that
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`v2` of that package or you will silently import the `v1` version of that
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This also applies to consumers. Given that this kind of thing is something that
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This also applies to consumers. Given that this kind of thing is something that
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you only do in Go it can come out of left field. The go router
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you only do in Go it can come out of left field. The go router
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[chi](https://github.com/go-chi/chi/issues/462) tried doing modules in the past
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[github.com/go-chi/chi](https://github.com/go-chi/chi/issues/462) tried doing
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and found that it lead to confusing users. Conveniently they only really found
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modules in the past and found that it lead to confusing users. Conveniently they
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this out after the Go modules design was considered final and Semantic Import
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only really found this out after the Go modules design was considered final and
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Versioning has always been a part of Go modules and the Go team is now refusing
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Semantic Import Versioning has always been a part of Go modules and the Go team
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to budge on this.
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is now refusing to budge on this.
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<xeblog-conv name="Cadey" mood="coffee">My suggestion to people is to never
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<xeblog-conv name="Cadey" mood="coffee">My suggestion to people is to never
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release a version `1.x.x` of a Go project to avoid the “v2 landmine”. The Go
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release a version `1.x.x` of a Go project to avoid the “v2 landmine”. The Go
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were also kind of annoying at first until the Go team added "minimal module
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were also kind of annoying at first until the Go team added "minimal module
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awareness" to GOPATH mode. Then it was fine.
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awareness" to GOPATH mode. Then it was fine.
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="hmm">It feels like you are overly focusing on the
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`v2` problem. It can't really be that bad, can it? `grpc-gateway` updated to v2
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without any major issues. What's a real-world example of this?</xeblog-conv>
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<xeblog-conv name="Numa" mood="delet">The situation with
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[github.com/gofrs/uuid](https://github.com/gofrs/uuid/issues/61) was heckin'
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bad. Arguably it's a teething issue as the ecosystem was still moving to the new
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modules situation, but it was especially bad for projects that were already at
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major version 2 or higher because adding Go modules support meant that they
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needed to update the major version just for Go modules. This was a tough sell
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and rightly so.<br /><br />This was claimed to be made a non-issue by the right
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application of tooling on the side, but this tooling was either never developed
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or not released to us mere mortals outside of Google. Even with automated
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tooling this can still lead to massive diffs that are a huge pain to review,
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even if the only thing that is changed is the version number in every import of
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every package in that module. This was even worse for things that have C
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dependencies, as if you didn't update it everywhere in your dependency chain you
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could have two versions of the same C functions try to be linked in and this
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really just does not work.</xeblog-conv>
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Overall though, Go modules has been a net positive for the community and for
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Overall though, Go modules has been a net positive for the community and for
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people wanting to create reliable software in Go. It’s just such a big semantic
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people wanting to create reliable software in Go. It’s just such a big semantic
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break in how the toolchain works that I almost think it would have been easier
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break in how the toolchain works that I almost think it would have been easier
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="Hacker">The type `struct{}` is an anonymous
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="hacker">The type `struct{}` is an anonymous
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structure value that takes 0 bytes in ram. It was suggested to use this as your
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structure value that takes 0 bytes in ram. It was suggested to use this as your
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stopping signal to avoid unneeded memory allocations.</xeblog-conv>
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stopping signal to avoid unneeded memory allocations. A `bool` needs one whole
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machine word, which can be up to 64 bits of ram. In practice the compiler can
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smoosh multiple bools in a struct together into one place in ram, but when
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sending these values over a channel like this you can't really cheat that
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way.</xeblog-conv>
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This did work and was the heart of many event loops, but the main problem with
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This did work and was the heart of many event loops, but the main problem with
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it is that the signal was only sent _once_. Many other people also followed up
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it is that the signal was only sent _once_. Many other people also followed up
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`cancel` function is called.
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="happy">Don't worry, you can call the `cancel()`
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="happy">Don't worry, you can call the `cancel()`
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function multiple times without any issues.</xeblog-conv>
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function multiple times without any issues. Any additional calls will not do
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anything special.</xeblog-conv>
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If you want to set a timeout on this (so that the function only tries to run
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If you want to set a timeout on this (so that the function only tries to run
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for 5 minutes), you'd want to change the second line of that example to this:
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for 5 minutes), you'd want to change the second line of that example to this:
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```go
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ctx, cancel := context.WithTimeout(context.Background(), 5 * time.Minute)
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<xeblog-conv name="Mara" mood="happy">You should always `defer cancel()` unless
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you can prove that it is called elsewhere. If you don't do this you can leak
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goroutines that will dutifully try to do their job potentially forever without
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any ability to stop them.</xeblog-conv>
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The context will be automatically cancelled after 5 minutes. You can cancel it
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The context will be automatically cancelled after 5 minutes. You can cancel it
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sooner by calling the `cancel()` function should you need to. Anything else in
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sooner by calling the `cancel()` function should you need to. Anything else in
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the stack that is context-aware will automatically cancel as well as the
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the stack that is context-aware will automatically cancel as well as the
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